From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Everyone, please stop making my life more difficult Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:14:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83vbot6kvj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20140912043652.4D6D8380604@snark.thyrsus.com> <834mwd8j6a.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912095542.GD32586@thyrsus.com> <83y4tp6sc3.fsf@gnu.org> <20140912113821.GA2789@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410527737 22424 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2014 13:15:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 12 15:15:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XSQhD-0006fx-Vz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:15:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSQhD-0003KP-D1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:15:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54869) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSQgu-0003IH-QA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:15:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSQgo-00014M-Ma for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:15:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:57297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XSQgo-00012J-Ei for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NBS00700HL8Q800@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:13:42 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NBS007WCI2UQT10@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:13:42 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <20140912113821.GA2789@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174210 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 07:38:21 -0400 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > These revision-ids are in fixed format, so there should be no need for > > heuristics in finding the corresponding commit, nor do I see a need > > for a list of conversions when the revision is referenced by such an > > ID. This is why I added them in the first place in this case: to make > > your job easier, not harder. > > Not successful. Our cooperation is not exactly a success story anyway. At least I tried. > I requested portable revision stamps for good reasons. I don't think you can expect that, until we have VC commands to produce them and look up commits using them. I see exactly zero such references in all of our ChangeLog files as of now, so it's not like I'm the odd one out. I'm pretty sure that once we switch to Git, everybody will use Git sha values instead of bzr revnos. > > Why do you run this conversion regularly at all? Why not do it once > > on the D-Day? > > Because (a) if I let the new IDs pile up it that high it will be just > too daunting a task to face I think you are wrong on this one, but it's your call. > and (b) I'm still trying to make conversions available on gitorious > so people can inspect them, get used to what the full conversion > looks like, and critique it. Did you get any critique lately?