From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Use of dedicated windows in gdb-mi.el Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:20:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83vbja99iy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h9uynckc.fsf@gmail.com> <83iofedfkz.fsf@gnu.org> <877fvun97j.fsf@gmail.com> <83fvaid8sa.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvaf9jj2.fsf@gnu.org> <878ug7axhr.fsf@gmail.com> <837fvr9frq.fsf@gnu.org> <87sief9ezy.fsf@gmail.com> <831tlz9deh.fsf@gnu.org> <8761bb9cq8.fsf@gmail.com> <83zj8m9atc.fsf@gnu.org> <87pp9ioqt0.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423509666 15331 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2015 19:21:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Oleh Krehel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 09 20:21:02 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YKttF-0005wq-U1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:21:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKttF-0002hr-5m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:21:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKttA-0002ek-G3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:20:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtt6-0008Fu-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:20:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:33431) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YKtt6-0008FG-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:20:52 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NJI00500QMPF300@mtaout25.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:15:44 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NJI0016RQU8JU40@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:15:44 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87pp9ioqt0.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:182725 Archived-At: > From: Oleh Krehel > Cc: thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:58:19 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> If you have 9 minutes and a way to view Youtube videos, you can see my > >> demo of a neat approach to manipulating windows (especially the window > >> swap). This approach of course won't work with non-soft dedicated > >> windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qZliI1BKzI. > > > > That's cute, but is this related to GDB-MI and the issue being > > discussed here? If so, how? > > There's a function that swaps the current window with the selected one. > It fails miserably with dedicated windows, although works with > soft-dedicated. So maybe we should have a way to override the window's dedicated status, with a special command or an argument to a command or a variable. > The point is that the user may know better how to manipulate the window > layout. Random dedicated windows that behave differently from normal windows, > without a visual indication that they are different, aren't a good design. You need to see the GDB-MI design as a whole. You are entitled to your opinions about its design, but it is consistent, and many users like it, probably because they come from other IDEs (where all windows are dedicated).