From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19896: 23.1; reverse-region is slow compared to sort-columns Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:29:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83vbiz3to6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1372534272.5818344.1424278471675.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <758739999.5853607.1424280942368.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> <873863845n.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <83zj8b3uys.fsf@gnu.org> <87twyj6nk3.fsf@violet.siamics.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1424288239 7392 80.91.229.3 (18 Feb 2015 19:37:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19896@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ivan Shmakov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 18 20:37:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAQj-0002pU-DQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:37:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52562 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAQi-00061K-Sv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:37:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36656) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAJz-0002Nc-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:30:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAJw-0001F2-Dz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:30:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56809) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAJw-0001E4-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:30:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAJv-0006gn-NP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:30:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19896 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19896-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19896.142428774625627 (code B ref 19896); Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:30:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19896) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Feb 2015 19:29:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48049 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAIz-0006fH-PM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:29:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:42268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YOAIx-0006f8-EH for 19896@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:29:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NJZ00L00F5FV100@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 19896@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:29:02 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NJZ00L3XFGDJQA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:29:02 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87twyj6nk3.fsf@violet.siamics.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:99560 Archived-At: > From: Ivan Shmakov > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:13:00 +0000 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>>>> From: Ivan Shmakov Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:29:08 +0000 > > […] > > >> On a GNU system (as well as on any other system featuring GNU > >> Coreutils), it should be possible to just use sort(1) for the > >> purpose. For instance, the “reverse” option is ‘-r’. > > > But sort(1)'s sort order is locale-specific, whereas that of Emacs > > isn't. > > How is that a disadvantage? I didn't say it was a disadvantage, only that the results might be different, and will almost certainly be different in different locales. > The user can easily force any locale of those available on the > system with an explicit LC_ALL=, like: > > $ LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 sort < list.de > > $ LC_ALL=ru_RU.UTF-8 sort < list.ru > > $ LC_ALL=C sort < list.ascii Yes, but Emacs's sort order is not in any locale, more or less. So it's not easy to find a locale that will produce the same order as Emacs, unless you know a lot about Emacs internals. And even if you do, such a locale might not be installed on the end-user's machine. > For one thing, M-x sort-lines seems to put ё after я, while in > Russian it comes between е and ж. And similarly for ß (and the > accented letters) in German, etc. Precisely! That was my point.