From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:23:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83vbe64jyt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <558D6A3D.1070706@yandex.ru> <877fqnzpno.fsf@gnu.org> <5590493C.8000007@yandex.ru> <87381bzife.fsf@gnu.org> <75f2fe0f-f15e-4af8-b9ae-0ddc9231c9ab@default> <83a8vi60ke.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435591422 29011 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2015 15:23:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 29 17:23:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9auB-0000dk-EB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:23:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42734 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9auA-0007XU-Pf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:23:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55370) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9au7-0007X3-0s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:23:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9au2-0007iM-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:39386) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9au2-0007hw-8C; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 11:23:22 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQP00L00PB9GD00@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:26:03 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQP00CXFPJEH5A0@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:26:03 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187643 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:57:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org= , > emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, > stephen@xemacs.org >=20 > But I'm not sure that what you say is true of "any other pairs", > where pair is regarded as two chars that we might consider using > as code/key phrase bookends. >=20 > I'm thinking of the pair ` and ', for instance. Not exact mirror > images by any means, but workable. No, they aren't. Here's how this will look in a right-to-left paragraph: `=D7=90=D7=91=D7=92' (If this doesn't show in your mailer flushed all the way to the right edge of the window, save this as a text file and visit that file in Emacs.) > The point is that there might well be such pairs that are not > problematic for Bidi I don't think so. For them to not be problematic, they need to be "mirrored" at display time -- and that only happens with characters i= n BidiBrackets.txt. > Anyway, I'm not looking for a different pair from `...'. If > someone finds one that satisfies the criteria, I'm open to it, of > course. Any pair in BidiBrackets.txt will do. The question is: do we want to use any of them? I don't have an answer to that.