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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: 21707@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#21707: include-file cleanup for src directory
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:15:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83vba1e4gl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56268CFA.6040708@cs.ucla.edu>

> Cc: 21707@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:50:34 -0700
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Would it help if we avoid including any of our headers in any
> > other of our headers, so that the headers included by a particular C
> > file are visible by just looking at that single C file?
> 
> That would run afoul of a more important design goal, which is that we should be 
> able to include headers in any order.

Is that really more important?  Even standard C headers sometimes
require order, for example, sys/types.h should be included before
sys/stat.h.

> And anyway, compiling a typical C file ordinarily brings in oodles
> of system headers that the C file doesn't explicitly ask for

That is true, but C headers change much slower than our headers.  So
keeping track of the changes in our headers requires more attention
and work.

> so regardless of our style the only practical way to see what headers a 
> C file includes is to compile it and see what gcc -E outputs.

The problem with "gcc -E" is that it's system dependent.  I thought we
could perhaps come up with a method that would allow anyone easily see
which headers are needed on every supported platform, and thus lower
the probability of unintended breakage.

Of course, it isn't a catastrophe to continue the way we have been
doing this till now.

> Ideally a C source file should include all headers that define symbols the 
> source file directly uses, and no headers other than that. This should be true 
> for both .h and .c files. We're not there by a long shot, but that should be the 
> goal.

I think the real problem is to keep this state once we get there.
One-time efforts to rectify things are relatively easy; making that
stick is harder, especially since (AFAIU) there's no automated way for
producing a report about unnecessary headers.





  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-20 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-19  7:05 bug#21707: include-file cleanup for src directory Paul Eggert
2015-10-19  7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 12:54   ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-19 13:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20  5:54   ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20  8:23     ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-20 15:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 15:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 18:50       ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 19:15         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-10-20 20:52           ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 19:28         ` Andy Moreton
2015-10-21  1:38 ` Paul Eggert

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