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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Questioning the new behavior of `open-line'.
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:07:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83vb98jqwp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h9kscqig.fsf@red-bean.com>

> From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:58:15 -0600
> Cc: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com>
> 
> John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>>>> Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com> writes:
> >
> >>> 3. I think, when electric-indent-mode is on, open-line should indent the
> >>> line that was created below if it isn't empty. May I go ahead?
> >
> >> Had I seen that question at the time, I would have answered "Oh, please
> >> don't" :-). But maybe mine is a minority opinion? I encounter the new
> >> behavior several times a day, and don't like it; turning off
> >> `electric-indent-mode' seems like a drastic solution. But if people
> >> generally like this new behavior, I'll certainly live with being in the
> >> minority and figure out the appropritae local customization.
> >
> >I too would want the original C-o behavior. If you're using it an column 0,
> >then the action of C-o is to create a new line, not to adjust indentation of
> >the line you were on before the command.
> >
> >Now, you *could* have the new behavior using `electric-indent-functions',
> >checking if the current command is `open-line'. So we're not making it
> >impossible to do. But we shouldn't change long-standing behavior like this, in
> >a subtle way that many users wouldn't know how to undo.
> 
> Yeah, my feelings too.  If `electric-indent-mode' does anything here, it should move point to the appropriate indentation column *on the new, blank line*, while leaving existing text however it was.

People who don't like electric-indent-mode can just turn it off, can't
they?  Why argue about defaults when they can be so easily changed?



  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-11 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-11 18:08 Questioning the new behavior of `open-line' Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 18:51 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 18:58   ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 19:07     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-11-11 19:13       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:39         ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 20:11           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 20:17             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:33               ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 20:37               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-11 20:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 20:58                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 21:08                   ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 21:13                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12  7:59                       ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-11 21:53                     ` David Kastrup
2015-11-11 21:52               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-12  0:08                 ` Rasmus
2015-11-12  8:06                   ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-12 10:00                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 11:08                       ` Rasmus
2015-11-12 11:18                         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-11-12 13:11                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 14:16                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-12 14:44                             ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-12 14:52                               ` Rasmus
2015-11-12 14:54                                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-12 15:38                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-11-12 16:20                                     ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-12 16:33                                       ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
     [not found]                                         ` <CAAdUY-LVoXm-c+Cv8Gx6h+d40YDoK4rJp1U6Tw+Gc+yCOVee=g@mail.gmail.com>
2015-11-13  1:17                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-13  6:04                                             ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2015-11-14 12:34                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-14 19:39                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-17  0:42                                                   ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-17  0:53                                                     ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-17  3:46                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-17 22:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:16                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18 17:25                                                           ` Andreas Röhler
2015-11-17 23:20                                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 20:32                                                       ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-18 21:03                                                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-19 23:34                                                           ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-19 23:57                                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-14 21:59                                                 ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-12 14:57                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-12 16:09                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12 15:26                               ` Rasmus
2015-11-11 20:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 20:28           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 21:00               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 21:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 21:17                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-11-11 21:30                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 22:40                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-11 19:20       ` Paul Eggert
2015-11-11 19:25         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 20:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-11 21:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-11 22:24 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-11 21:31   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 21:46     ` Karl Fogel
2015-11-12  7:38 ` Andreas Röhler

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