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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 22296-done@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22296: 25.1.50; Document changes to `delete-selection-mode'
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 20:43:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83vb7a8pxi.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <68435980-44a2-4d33-8f64-8fbbdedb4a4e@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:00:46 -0800 (PST))

> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:00:46 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: 22296@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > > 4. Apparently you can no longer specify `kill' as the d-s behavior:
> > > (put 'some-command 'delete-selection 'kill).  Well, it's still
> > > supported for now, but `kill' has been removed from the file-header
> > > Commentary, and the code comments say that it is deprecated.
> > >
> > > Why is this?  Where is this deprecation documented?  Why
> > > shouldn't a user or a library still be able to override a
> > > `delete-selection' setting for a given command, to specify
> > > it as `kill'?  Not clear to me what this is about.
> > >
> > > 5. There is an additional, undocumented (why?) possible value
> > > for `delete-selection', which you can apparently put on a
> > > command's symbol: `delete-selection-uses-region-p'.  Please
> > > consider documenting this (e.g., not just mentioning it in NEWS).
> > >
> > > 6. The default delete-selection behavior for multiple commands
> > > has apparently changed.  For example, `open-line' now has the
> > > default behavior and not the `kill' behavior.  Likewise, unloading
> > > (`delsel-unload-function') deals with a different command list.
> > 
> > We never documented any of this, and I see no reason to do so now.
> 
> Really?  The fact that you (apparently) can no longer specify that
> a given command is handled by killing the region?  The fact that
> there is a new possible value for the property (what is it for)?
> 
> How is a user supposed to understand how to use d-s-mode if these
> things are not documented - either in a doc string or in a manual?

How did they understand this before?

This bug report says "please document changes to
delete-selection-mode".  I have shown that what was documented before
was updated.  You now say that its previous documentation was
insufficient, which is an entirely different issue.

> And we no longer announce deprecations?  Except in code comments?

Most of the deprecations are indeed never announced in NEWS, you see
them when the byte compiler emits a warning to that effect.

> Anyway, I've reported the problems I see.  Do with the information
> what you will.

I did.





  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-03 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2016-01-03 18:00       ` bug#22296: 25.1.50; Document changes to `delete-selection-mode' Drew Adams
2016-01-03 18:43         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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2016-01-08 15:03                   ` Drew Adams
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2016-01-03 19:54               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-08 12:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-01-03 18:52           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 19:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
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     [not found] ` <<83mvsmadhv.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-01-03 16:24   ` Drew Adams
2016-01-03 17:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-03  4:12 Drew Adams
2016-01-03 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii

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