From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#26102: movemail can't connect mail server Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:33:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83var9z174.fsf@gnu.org> References: <76a96737-f780-00a2-9fd4-70c0e95f0101@cs.ucla.edu> <8360ja1ldi.fsf@gnu.org> <834lyu1jws.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489678459 21842 195.159.176.226 (16 Mar 2017 15:34:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 26102@debbugs.gnu.org, hengaini2055@qq.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 16 16:34:13 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPj-0004Nw-MV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:34:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPo-0006Nu-2M for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:34:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52672) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPi-0006Nc-DR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:34:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPe-0005Oh-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:34:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPe-0005Ob-9H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPe-0000Kb-3b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:34:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26102 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 26102-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26102.14896784201244 (code B ref 26102); Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:34:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 26102) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2017 15:33:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPI-0000K0-Du for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPH-0000Jp-6s for 26102@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPB-0005Gy-8U for 26102@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1coXPB-0005Gr-53; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2588 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1coXP9-0003dX-Nq; Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:33:32 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:15:02 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:130647 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, hengaini2055@qq.com, 26102@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 20:15:02 -0400 > > I want to point out that answering (or reading) this bug report (and the > previous help-gnu-emacs post) is an act that takes maintainer time, > therefore the maintenance cost is not zero. It's zero as in "negligible", since the time it took to understand the cockpit errors was short, and it's not like questions about movemail get posted frequently (I don't remember any for a long time). Neither did I see anyone from the developers group besides myself interested in answering the question, as long as the actual problem was on the table. > (Obviously Paul and I have increased the short-term cost by starting a > discussion Indeed. > And when anyone needs to read (whether or not they change it) the > relevant support code in rmail or lib-src/Makefile, that's a cost too. > Yes, the cost is very small, but these things add up over time. > > We clearly don't have enough people to maintain the code we have. > So personally I'm pro-simplification In general, so am I. But this particular bike shed is not worth wasting time on.