From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30010: 25.3; changing layout in Windows 8.1 causes endless scroll in echo-area Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 20:42:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83vagc6vln.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83vage9432.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2r27wnz.fsf@gnu.org> <5A524626.7060304@gmx.at> <83incd8thm.fsf@gnu.org> <5A533F70.2080300@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515436876 3627 195.159.176.226 (8 Jan 2018 18:41:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 18:41:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kireev.artur@live.ru, 30010@debbugs.gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 08 19:41:12 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcMA-0000TY-Pc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 19:41:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50981 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcOA-0000uk-Bx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41848) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcO2-0000u4-6g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNz-0006Fz-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:43:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:32984) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNy-0006Fq-Rw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNy-0002X0-L1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:43:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30010 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30010-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30010.15154369539656 (code B ref 30010); Mon, 08 Jan 2018 18:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30010) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2018 18:42:33 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNV-0002Vf-GJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:42:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNT-0002VN-Rx for 30010@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:42:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNL-0005tB-KA for 30010@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:42:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNL-0005t7-Fi; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:42:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3461 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eYcNK-0003mV-Tt; Mon, 08 Jan 2018 13:42:23 -0500 In-reply-to: <5A533F70.2080300@gmx.at> (message from martin rudalics on Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:52:48 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:141902 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2018 10:52:48 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > CC: kireev.artur@live.ru, 30010@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> Couldn't we tell users how to prevent Emacs from fiddling with such > >> key bindings? > > > > I thought about mentioning this in PROBLEMS, but it sounded too > > obscure even for that. I could be convinced, though. Did you mean > > PROBLEMS or did you mean something else? > > It looks to me as if now on Windows (1) Emacs grasps key combinations > before anyone else gets hold of them and (2) if it doesn't find an > appropriate binding for them, emit a warning unless it's a combination > reserved for Windows itself. Are you talking about Emacs 26 or later? This bug report is about Emacs 25, where AFAIR the above was not true. > For example, on XP I use ahk to emulate the Aero combination of > > lwindow key + left key > > via > > ctrl + lwindow + alt + left key > > This works with all other applications and also in a "normal" emacs > where I assign > > (setq w32-lwindow-modifier 'hyper) ; lwindow is hyper > > But with emacs -Q I get the warning > > is undefined > > although I apparently don't get it in later invocations of the same > executable. I think (2) is a bad idea and there should be an option > to turn off such warnings. Unfortunately, I have not been able to > understand how this mechanism works nowadays. Maybe we finally have a reason to provide a user facility for disabling the keyboard hook. (It would have to be on master, I think, as AFAIR it is not very trivial, but maybe I misremember, or missed some easy way of doing that.)