From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35507: Gnus mojibakifies UTF-8 text/x-patch attachments from Thunderbird Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 22:05:59 +0300 Message-ID: <83v9yuouzs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <44a26585-7980-378c-9262-a567ddd3e617@cs.ucla.edu> <83d0l2qdw9.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="224116"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35507@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 01 21:07:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuZT-000w6u-HI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 May 2019 21:07:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39136 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuZS-0005b8-Bj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 01 May 2019 19:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35507) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2019 19:06:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuZ3-0004ic-OF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 May 2019 15:06:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuZ1-0004iK-Ge for 35507@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 May 2019 15:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuYw-0000lI-01; Wed, 01 May 2019 15:06:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2974 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hLuYa-0005R1-7b; Wed, 01 May 2019 15:06:22 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Paul Eggert on Wed, 1 May 2019 11:26:35 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:158597 Archived-At: > Cc: 35507@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 11:26:35 -0700 > > > I don't see why we should > > change Gnus in this regard, certainly not unconditionally assuming > > UTF-8. > Gnus is mishandling emails sent from Thunderbird right now, so it would > be a practical benefit for Gnus users if it did a better job of decoding > these admittedly-iffy messages. > > These days, UTF-8 is by far the most common encoding specified for > non-ASCII text in email and its popularity is growing, so it's the best > choice for a default if Gnus will have one - certainly better than the > confusing behavior that Robert Pluim observed in his Gnus session. > Gnus's current behavior may have been a good idea in 1996 when RFC 2046 > said US-ASCII was the default, but it stopped being a good idea in 2012 > when RFC 6657 came out and said that UTF-8 should be the default if > there is a default. > > Another possibility is that Gnus could ask the user which encoding to > use when the email headers don't specify one and when the text is not > ASCII; even that would be better than Gnus's current behavior of forcing > US-ASCII and displaying something like "\xe2\x80\x99" when it encounters > a non-ASCII character. I'm okay with having a default that's customizable. I also think Gnus should have a feature that allows the user to request "re-decoding" of a message part, because no matter how smart are we and our defaults, they will sometimes fail.