From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46837: Makefile dependencies for info files Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 20:12:09 +0200 Message-ID: <83v9a4up6u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2eeeguus2h.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834khqys2n.fsf@gnu.org> <838s71xsve.fsf@gnu.org> <5nczwcqj1d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22363"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 46837@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 06 19:13:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbQO-0005i1-LH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 19:13:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38084 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbQN-0008Pw-4n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:13:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56794) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbQE-0008Pi-3r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbQD-0004c1-Sj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:13:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbQD-0004C4-Mh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:13:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 18:13:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46837 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: help Original-Received: via spool by 46837-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46837.161505434816077 (code B ref 46837); Sat, 06 Mar 2021 18:13:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46837) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2021 18:12:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbPf-0004BF-QD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:12:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbPd-0004B2-Vv for 46837@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:12:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43745) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbPY-0004SV-RG for 46837@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:12:20 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2212 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lIbPX-0006cw-LH; Sat, 06 Mar 2021 13:12:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5nczwcqj1d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 06 Mar 2021 12:38:38 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:201652 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 46837@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 12:38:38 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > So it will fail even if all the Info files are already in the tree, > > when makeinfo is not available? Or are you saying that in order for > > "make" not to fail one must touch not just info/emacs.info, but also > > all the rest of the *.info files? > > ? > > If all the info file are already there, make will see that they are newer > than their dependencies, so it won't try to rebuild them. > There's no need to "touch" anything, and I would/did not recommend > doing so. I was talking about the case where the Info files aren't there, and makeinfo is not available. > > No argument there, I was talking about fire escape. After all, we are > > removing a "feature" that existed in previous releases. > > --without-makeinfo was always irrelevant in _releases_, where the info > files are pre-built. I wasn't talking about releases, either. > > It would be good to tell people how to get back the old behavior, I > > think. > > They can always do "make lisp" (I think) instead of "make [all]". If that works, let's say so in NEWS, and be done.