From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2021 22:20:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v95mdj71.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878s2i3q96.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 07 Jul 2021 20:58:29 +0200)
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2021 20:58:29 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Even if it currently works, it's unsafe, IMO, to not have any
> > protection there. No one will remember that we rely on this not being
> > called early enough.
>
> Right. My reasoning was that it seemed unlikely to be a problem here,
> since the same function also (possibly) calls the Lisp functions
> userlock--ask-user-about-supersession-threat and ask-user-about-lock.
> But those are only called in some cases, so we're calling out to Lisp
> more now than before, and that may indeed be a problem.
Right, the call to userlock--ask-user-about-supersession-threat is
under some conditions that are rarely satisfied.
> I can add a check to whether the Lisp function is defined before calling
> (and then not do locking if it isn't) to be more defensive here?
I guess so.
> > So I'm asking whether the simplicity justifies the costs, here and
> > elsewhere.
>
> I agree with you 100% that it's important to take this into
> consideration when moving things from C to Lisp. In this particular
> case, I think the cost is justified, because this isn't a function
> that's called in a loop, and the other things it does (calling
> Fverify_visited_file_modtime and Ffile_exists_p, and actually creating
> the lock file) totally swamps any extra string consing, I think. (That
> is, it won't take measurably longer.)
If it triggers GC, it _will_ take significantly longer. But I won't
argue more about this, it's a lost battle anyway with current Emacs
development trends.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-07 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-28 17:38 bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains Mallchad Skeghyeph
2021-06-30 13:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-30 13:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 14:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
[not found] ` <CADrO7Mje3DstmjxutZcpx33jWJwgE_z+hGfJc4aON1CYOpyJxA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-01 10:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-01 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-30 16:07 ` Michael Albinus
2021-06-30 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-01 11:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-30 19:31 ` Juri Linkov
2021-07-01 16:57 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-01 18:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-02 11:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-02 12:32 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-07 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 16:07 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-07 16:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 16:40 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-07 16:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 16:55 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-07 16:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 17:36 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-07 18:08 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 18:50 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 19:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:03 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-08 6:03 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-08 19:53 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-09 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-09 8:28 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-09 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-09 11:01 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-09 16:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-12 13:53 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-12 14:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 14:37 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-12 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 17:35 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-12 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 18:00 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-12 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 18:46 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-12 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-13 17:53 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-13 16:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-13 16:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-13 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-13 17:59 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-13 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-13 19:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-13 19:36 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-13 17:55 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-13 19:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-16 16:15 ` Michael Albinus
2021-07-17 14:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 20:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 20:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 20:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 20:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 21:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 22:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 0:09 ` bug#49261: Segfault during loadup Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 6:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 12:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-11 8:36 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-11 10:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-11 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 7:16 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-12 12:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-12 14:50 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-12 14:56 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-12 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-13 23:12 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-14 7:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-14 22:04 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-14 22:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-07-14 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-14 22:24 ` Paul Eggert
2021-07-15 6:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-11 11:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 6:15 ` bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 12:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 13:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 12:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 12:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-08 13:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-08 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-10 16:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-10 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-10 17:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-10 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 18:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 18:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 18:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 19:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-07-07 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-07-07 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-07 19:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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