From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:58:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83v92f9um9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <83y27bbs4d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtnr3chk.fsf@gmail.com> <8735pj3amy.fsf@gmail.com> <83r1d3boeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilyfbj9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee93bhma.fsf@gnu.org> <834k9zbezg.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17304"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 19:59:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjId-0004GH-F1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:59:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44682 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjIc-0002ry-Dt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:59:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46740) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHq-0001Ky-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48970) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHq-0007hT-9a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHq-0004Ej-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:59:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.163319752616262 (code B ref 50959); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 17:58:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60516 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHa-0004EE-Kf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:58:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHY-0004E0-U1 for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:58:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58070) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHT-0007Ob-EU; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2876 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjHR-0006LJ-Hy; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 13:58:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:46:18 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216186 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:46:18 +0100 > Cc: Phil Sainty , 50959@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:53 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Because 's-concat' is _not_ a symbol. > > > > I don't see the significance of the difference, from the usability > > POV. > > You don't? Maybe you are still somewhat thinking of shorthands > as similar to the products of defvaralias or defalias. s-concat > may mean magnar-string-concat in a buffer, and stream-concat > in another. In that some other buffer magnar-string-concat may > be accessible by the shorthand ms-concat. We are talking at cross-purposes. You are talking about the underlying mechanism; I'm talking about the user's experience. From the UX POV, it is unexpected to be unable to get help about a symbol-like thing the user sees in the buffer.