From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Renaming eglot -- or at least add an alias? Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 09:42:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83v8oulstc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pmfdduix.fsf@gnu.org> <86wn9ji3ma.fsf@gmail.com> <831qrozx71.fsf@gnu.org> <83k05gvzsb.fsf@gnu.org> <838rlvv50n.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8230"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 08:44:09 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oh3Z9-00020c-Qf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:44:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh3Z8-0008Md-Ao for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 02:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh3Xj-0007cV-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 02:42:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38020) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh3Xi-0005z7-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 02:42:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=nc9fNXOu/pYi20EUjLyQM0SZNr00FYljhYzR7BLM78s=; b=PAJnkQtWElb1 wvMaN8WYoKB84SIW3ZIs4w5MPOV0W2gPMEptmVzZJyUFWgdp57+TDDpw2U8nHturPjUMKQQHlJYtP KP+UoBQRkJihX+fjUKKs8YNSfcAjaIJvirOxHy3x4dWIICWH8/vGyR+JLeF99eTbdXgM6zMa1xne+ XF94iidBjqBPsNmag44eSPPYX8Uw9KrA4w8NE8AfuYX+NZ2fBCqlS0GMeNgUBbHtmVK8Qn6EJ1dHm 47Hmj0waG1uqPXCQexiQGWD12N0oGccmxKN/dNmw5KtI+psEPvUilO8W98n9yfdEKSQVLO1AnwSLB VGO+9q4tCctu/0k9X2F4Fg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4916 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oh3Xi-0003Fa-2M; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 02:42:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 07 Oct 2022 18:50:05 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297191 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2022 18:50:05 -0400 > > I'm talking about choosing a simple and clear way to describe thie feature > to the user, which would call for some change in code and more change > in how we write about this in Emacs documention. This has no hope of being discussed efficiently until all of the participants have a good understanding of what the package does and how. Please wait at least until the Eglot manual is ready in its first draft, and let's take it from there. The current discussion is based on many misconceptions, misunderstandings, and inaccurate statements, and is basically a huge waste of everyone's time. When the Eglot manual is published, you and others will have a chance of reading its explanations of what Eglot does and how we intent to integrate it into the Emacs source-code editing features, optionally enhance that by looking at the Eglot code (which is just 3300 lines of Lisp), and have a clear picture of what we are talking about. Then this discussion will be practical and efficient (and some parts of it will be unnecessary), and we could have hope of reaching some useful conclusions.