From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#60527: 30.0.50; Typing SPC in a minibuffer with completion Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 20:37:30 +0200 Message-ID: <83v8lmxi1h.fsf@gnu.org> References: <91ec6e18-2748-9b75-ecd5-0c662d3f0bb5@yandex.ru> <83r0wbyo34.fsf@gnu.org> <8df48efb-9a7e-d5e7-77ff-50731d185f1c@yandex.ru> <83h6x6z792.fsf@gnu.org> <835ydmz0dh.fsf@gnu.org> <0633641c-0fb3-8778-78b2-f9b827ca5b4a@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11241"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 60527@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 04 19:38:20 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8eX-0002kk-UV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 19:38:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8eL-0000yU-A2; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:38:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8eI-0000y3-St for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:38:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8eI-0002nM-KK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:38:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8eI-0004F7-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:38:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2023 18:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60527 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 60527-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60527.167285744616258 (code B ref 60527); Wed, 04 Jan 2023 18:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 60527) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2023 18:37:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49592 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8dh-0004EA-Ms for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:37:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8dg-0004Dw-At for 60527@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:37:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8da-0002jH-4Y; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:37:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=sERsRw412bMDmyou5BZSZAblZ1pCF7Dy7x2mc152pC8=; b=JEW+jNwCW/Tn 1miDsK8KIft3p7r25O6WUYUusQgW+hKT4onZSTIHw4DPZzWOrBlxb7f2uFK5Xe/NsyMeOHrQyZ/wR lJ9yd3HPxi8uRHb+Pdc77lGX5LonQvldFr9Q5aY+Ivi03Ak1aD8ZiCcVE96vKL49sOjpoU4UrB/v7 k/dNR4wmn93aThDsafyIzwCNLINjk0fH71p1Qu/UrjNbgKZ2epTipDDd8pQo+3uOa+mQ8bGOMaE2/ qy9GnWxsO/54x9pGGAYjQ6RxLT385sTVmT55p/VxUjAyfMI0Kms6W++22hoaQyIM2wCsl5ShoSRmU 6+2484U96QHTQfM29Hm5ig==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pD8dZ-00046h-64; Wed, 04 Jan 2023 13:37:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <0633641c-0fb3-8778-78b2-f9b827ca5b4a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 4 Jan 2023 19:45:45 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:252524 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2023 19:45:45 +0200 > Cc: 60527@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > From: Dmitry Gutov > > > I understand that just rebinding SPC is much easier. But we are > > supposed to consider other factors, not just the ease of > > implementation. And I'm not afraid of code that is somewhat inelegant > > and even breaks abstractions, if we provide better, friendlier UI > > which breaks less habits. > > Using proper abstractions is what can lead to predictable, better UI. > And vice versa -- patching through special cases upon special cases > leads to less predictable, worse UI. > > I wasn't talking about the ease of implementation, really. Not necessarily. And let's stop here and agree to disagree about this, okay?