From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 08:57:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83v8gfljnz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <95980ffc-86e7-ad54-4a20-539d8c6ea5d0@mailo.com> <3f68f4bc-d426-0bcc-1329-674c12b29386@mailo.com> <76e12f7c-335f-476b-ffb3-fd8e8e4ab5d0@mailo.com> <87pm6rx4ea.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn0ytefw.fsf@gmail.com> <83h6s0n95y.fsf@gnu.org> <83edn4myz4.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5xsmuc0.fsf@gnu.org> <831qj4mlg7.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36213"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 26 07:57:34 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q2QSE-0009Cf-DY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 May 2023 07:57:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q2QRT-00019F-6E; Fri, 26 May 2023 01:56:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q2QRJ-00017K-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 26 May 2023 01:56:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q2QRI-0003me-MH; Fri, 26 May 2023 01:56:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KFQWWlCfErSuXSS4eJhS2Njq5tK/CPD+yIHpxdQ92BA=; b=BnYqFXVRyOw2 ASGTJS2vo7g8+K1dJkXJCMRbk261udfknnrQUXAihEcb91h00zBGxXBZ4mdK3l/H0+Tb+aYoISwUq UEdri/Au4NEMaXlAatua43oaDok1PT2QyRSgm6Q66CRjuPQH7EtQ9kqXasXDw14FyD+oraHXmbz5j clJwqCq8nOYTFUbkXokC+uLFcLFwcG/5ggTuPAuQ+q9dhFzWSVWDmRJ3Dw0bbkUcqImJ/T0rLq02m c+piHZI7RvJh72feb7b1TCwFhyBMN+bkOH4vwkdBRv9PbCNleVpQodYwg1l/lj3eZtMRsJEsBnuTn nlOvdvt0AcMTFMGX2L0rMw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q2QRG-0005a7-8W; Fri, 26 May 2023 01:56:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Thu, 25 May 2023 19:23:35 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306345 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 19:23:35 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > For mandatory dependencies, the only important aspect is whether I'd > > need to upgrade libraries I already have to newer versions, and if so, > > whether those newer versions will cause compatibility problems with > > programs I have installed that use those libraries. > > This is the misconception I pointed to in my previous post: Rust libraries > are not dynamic libraries, they are compiled into the program. This is not a misconception, at least not mine: I was talking about package installers in general, not just about Cargo. (You will see that this particular issue was absent from my OP.) > > This is also something a typical package installation will not let me > > control: they will just upgrade the other programs as well, whether I > > want that or not. > > This is a separate question, and I don't know which package manager you > have in mind None. Package managers that I envision don't exist. > but at least with Debian's package manager what you describe > doesn't happen. You can always review what will be upgraded. "Review" doesn't get near what I'd expect from a decent installer. Once again, why do you continue arguing? I just wanted to explain my POV, which I realize is very unconventional. You don't need to agree.