From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Štěpán Němec" <stepnem@smrk.net>
Cc: 65267@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#65267: 30.0.50; modifying debug-ignored-errors during startup with --debug-init is broken
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 20:52:53 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v8dibzii.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230813190826+0200.765169-stepnem@smrk.net> (message from Štěpán Němec on Sun, 13 Aug 2023 19:08:26 +0200)
> From: Štěpán Němec <stepnem@smrk.net>
> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 19:08:26 +0200
>
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 12:19:31 -0400
> Stefan Monnier via wrote:
>
> > Yeah, it's wrong, but I'm not sure how to fix it:
> > `--debug-init` needs to change the value of `debug-ignored-errors` while
> > `init.el` is executed,
>
> FWIW, I'm sure I'm missing something, but the above is far from obvious
> to me. Why does --debug-init need to muck with debug-ignored-errors at
> all? debug-ignored-errors usually/mostly contains errors unlikely to
> occur during startup, and even if they do occur during startup, why
> should Emacs not respect debug-ignored-errors and ignore them?
If debug-ignored-errors were by default nil, then this would have made
sense. But that's not the case: we set debug-ignored-errors to a
non-nil value by default, and that gets in the way of --debug-init.
See bug#64163. How's that for user surprise?
> (I also couldn't find this exception (i.e., --debug-init causing
> debug-ignored-errors to be ignored) documented anywhere, BTW.)
The value set by the init file was not supposed to be ignored, only
our own self-imposed default was. So there was nothing to document:
those are Emacs internals, and we tweak them to make --debug-init work
as expected, which is to catch every error.
> > We could document that modifying debug-ignored-errors only works
> > reliably if done from after-init-hook. WDYT?
>
> Pushing the breakage downstream... would mean packages like yasnippet
> would have to adapt, among other things.
Why on earth does yasnippet modify the value of a user variable?
> Not the end of the world, I guess, but I still don't understand why
> the breakage (or "change in behavior", if you prefer) is necessary
> or desired.
See above: it was the result of fixing a bug.
Another possibility, I guess, would be to set debug-ignored-errors to
its current default only after loading the user init file, and do that
in a way that _adds_ the ignored-by-default errors to the list it has
after loading init files. Before loading the init files, the value
could would be nil.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-13 17:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-13 7:54 bug#65267: 30.0.50; modifying debug-ignored-errors during startup with --debug-init is broken Štěpán Němec
2023-08-13 9:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 10:03 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-13 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 10:24 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-13 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 16:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-13 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 17:08 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-13 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
[not found] ` <20230813203525+0200.956511-stepnem@smrk.net>
2023-08-13 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-13 19:47 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
[not found] ` <20230813223458+0200.843367-stepnem@smrk.net>
2023-08-14 2:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-14 6:48 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 9:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 12:55 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-17 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 14:16 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 15:52 ` bug#65267: 30.0.50; modifying debug-ignored-errors during startup with --debug-init is broken, " Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 16:29 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 18:15 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-17 17:15 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-17 17:27 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 18:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-17 18:20 ` Štěpán Němec
2023-08-17 18:31 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-17 18:36 ` Štěpán Němec
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