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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, akib@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making package.el talk over Tor
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 11:12:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v88xjipo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=25J06VRJNgZFh87vg7HBRHMY1uy4mj5aMLhTXZNCOcg@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 17 Dec 2023 00:23:27 -0800)

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 00:23:27 -0800
> Cc: akib@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >   > 185.220.101.26 - - [14/Dec/2023:13:04:00 +0100] "GET /test HTTP/1.1" 301 169 "https://amodernist.com/" "URL/Emacs Emacs/30.0.50 (PureGTK; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)"
> >
> >   > As you can see the User-Agent indicates that I am using Emacs, what
> >   > version and even my architecture.  Compare that to the user agent that
> >   > you'd regularly encounter from an average browser:
> >
> > We should (1) let users specify what User-Agent to send, and (2) maybe
> > choose a different default.
> >
> > Icecat, by default, identifies itself as some widely used proprietary
> > browser running on Windows.
> 
> Should we bump the default to 'paranoid'?  Do what icecat does?
> 
> Does the remote ever need to know if we're using X11 or PureGTK?
> I think they don't, and we should never add that information, in any
> configuration.
> 
> >   > Other than the user-agent, there are certainly other bits of behaviour
> >   > that a malicious actor can use to track a user, such as the order in
> >   > which HTTP headers are transmitted, the size of chunks by which the
> >   > client sends and receives data and of course what requests aren't being
> >   > sent (e.g. due to a lack of Javascript in EWW).
> >
> > We could work on making Emacs-based browsing more similar to the most
> > common browsers, in such aspects of visible behavior.
> 
> If you are very concerned about your privacy, it's probably better to
> browse the web using the Tor web browser and eschew Emacs altogether.
> 
> How about telling users about this in the EWW manual?

It looks like a changeset was installed on master which changes how
URL behaves in this matter, see commit 346e571230.  I'm worried that
this is a backward-incompatible change which doesn't seem to have any
way for users to get back old behavior.  I think we should provide
such a way, and I think this change should be called out in the
"Incompatible changes" section of NEWS.

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-17  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-16  2:04 Making package.el talk over Tor Richard Stallman
2023-10-16  6:54 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2023-10-16  7:10   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-18  1:42   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-17  3:53   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-17  7:03     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-19  3:39       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-19  6:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-09  4:06           ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-09  7:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-13  4:58               ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-14 12:25                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-17  3:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-18  4:12                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-18  8:05                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-12-18  8:10                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-12-21  4:20                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-21  9:52                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-21  9:55                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-21 19:15                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-12-24  3:57                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-24 13:36                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-12-24 15:19                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-24 20:37                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-12-14 12:41         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-14 12:54           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-14 13:06             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-17  3:21           ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-17  8:23             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-17  9:12               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-12-17 12:02                 ` Never send user email address in HTTP requests Stefan Kangas
2023-12-17 12:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 14:05                     ` Yuri Khan
2023-12-17 14:44                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-17 17:30                       ` T.V Raman
2023-12-19  3:51                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-19  3:53               ` Making package.el talk over Tor Richard Stallman
2023-12-17 11:51             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-12-17 14:10               ` Yuri Khan
2023-12-19  3:51                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-19  3:52               ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-19  3:52               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-18  3:03     ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-18  7:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-21  2:39         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-16  7:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-16  9:15   ` Philip Kaludercic
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-12-18 14:22 Andrea Monaco
2023-12-18 14:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-18 14:49 ` F. Jason Park

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