From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: Bidirectional editing in Emacs -- main design decisions Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:38:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83tyy7jx7c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bpkgl113.fsf@gnu.org> <834oq8kx5c.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1255174974 1889 80.91.229.12 (10 Oct 2009 11:42:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 13:42:43 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MwaFf-0001w6-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:36:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53416 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MwaFe-0005Rx-Tb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MwaFN-0005EH-7r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MwaFM-0005D1-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48074 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MwaFL-0005Bc-CU; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il ([84.95.2.13]:11681) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MwaFJ-0007Gz-4G; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:36:21 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KRA00E00QRY7600@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:36:19 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.84.229]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KRA00DFRQWJZOU0@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:36:19 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:116059 gmane.emacs.bidi:413 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-bidi@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:16:58 -0400 > > The reason for this deliberate deviation from the letter of Emacs > definition of a paragraph are complicated, but the upshot is that from > the user point of view, it does not make sense to change paragraph > direction if the paragraph separator does not begin at the beginning > of a line. > > The only case when the paragraph separator does not begin at the > beginning of a line is when the left margin is nonzero. I'm not sure I understand the situation you are describing. (The word "margin" is too overloaded, even if we confine ourselves to Emacs parlance alone.) Could you please provide an example of such a paragraph? Then I could reason about it. > Why should these paragraphs be different from other paragraphs > with regard to direction of text? They are not "different", they just follow the base direction of the preceding paragraph.