From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:42:46 +0200 Message-ID: <83txsxykcp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9uvv6ng.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bof9s7cl.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <874nl0ov8g.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <20635.63115.874182.168553@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87liecnelf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <83390k0wgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352533370 21188 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2012 07:42:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 10 08:42:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TX5iU-0005Fo-J8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 08:42:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX5iL-0002Fw-8q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:42:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58517) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX5iF-0002Fo-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:42:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX5iC-0001Xr-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:42:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:59742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX5iC-0001Xl-Iw; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:42:40 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MD900400HC7M600@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:42:39 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MD9004QZHF2LF40@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:42:39 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154784 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:54 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > nix@esperi.org.uk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org > > So I don't think Emacs will go down in > flames if some feature inhibits this automatic scrolling. > > There might well be some bugs that are triggered if point > is not inside the displayed window. However, I don't think > fixing them would be very hard. Meanwhile, it turned out that what's requested is something else: when the user or a Lisp program deliberately scrolls the text, leave point where it was, instead of moving it to be visible in the new contents of the window. This would need changes to window-scrolling code in window.c, to avoid moving point.