From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:22:21 +0200 Message-ID: <83tx18zwma.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83mw722eit.fsf@gnu.org> <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <85vblpjfgx.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <20141206114147.GG19750@thyrsus.com> <83zjb1ymwv.fsf@gnu.org> <87tx18or4v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417875776 28612 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 14:22:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 15:22:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxGFz-00005D-Oc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:22:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54648 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxGFz-0006zK-AD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:22:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxGFr-0006zE-31 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:22:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxGFl-0003BR-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:22:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:33844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxGFe-00039A-ND; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:22:26 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG500M00ZHCVO00@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:21:18 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG500EWCZVIRC70@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:21:18 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87tx18or4v.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179181 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:16:16 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Potential developers look at things like this and they see a project > >> that has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since before 1996. > >> > >> No one thing like this is a dealbreaker for any single person. It's > >> the accumulation of such details that acts as a KEEP OUT sign. > > > > Slogans. No real data to support that. > > It's an impression. That is real data. I agree, but even that needs _some_ evidence. Like a couple of blogs or large postings (excluding the person who makes the claim), or some article in some on-line journal, that show this tendency or express similar views. Coming up with this without _any_ evidence is not serious. > It's not like we have anything better to offer We could analyze the hit rate of the project's Web pages, and see if they diminish over the years, for example. Or try looking for similar claims and see how many of them we had in the past.