From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 18:58:56 +0200 Message-ID: <83twkiteb3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87vb4zb0i4.fsf@gnu.org> <837fheuu6a.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457369944 17738 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 16:59:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mthl@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "John Wiegley" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 17:59:02 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUo-0008Pt-Dg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:59:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57018 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUn-0003oT-SJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36957) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUk-0003nw-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:58:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUj-0001dT-2L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:58:58 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47646) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUe-0001cA-HI; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:58:52 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1331 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1acyUb-0007ae-GJ; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:58:50 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 08:33:38 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201059 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Mathieu Lirzin , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 08:33:38 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So removing ChangeLog files will be a bad blow to our ability to easily and > > conveniently research the past, something that is extremely important in a > > project with such a rich history, where it's all too easy to reintroduce a > > bug if you don't look hard enough at the history of some code fragment. > > Since you are a primary contributor, Eli, your opinion on this does count very > much. If you genuinely think that ChangeLogs makes your life easier, then > maybe we should just table this discussion for another few years. Thanks. But the discussion is not the main issue. We should actually go back to having an actively maintained ChangeLog file in the repository, something we stopped doing a year ago. If there's agreement to that, I rest my case.