From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: When should ralloc.c be used? (WAS: bug#24358) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:03:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83twbxrm54.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87eg3rvtsf.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83k2dihpm9.fsf@gnu.org> <8760p2wzgj.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <838ttyhhzu.fsf@gnu.org> <871szqwu51.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <831szqhbc2.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1itt79z.fsf_-_@users.sourceforge.net> <7baa18d4-2b09-caa8-005e-29008a383ad1@cs.ucla.edu> <83mvhwrgd5.fsf@gnu.org> <8539f38f-9a11-44c3-4de7-bb974c96206c@cs.ucla.edu> <83d1iq5ib1.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3753c8j.fsf@gnu.org> <83r374wh32.fsf@gnu.org> <20161027093530.3e5be6cb@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20161027110503.74141bc2@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <8337jhu0cu.fsf@gnu.org> <20161027170345.1f6c382d@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477638259 30969 195.159.176.226 (28 Oct 2016 07:04:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 07:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, fabrice.popineau@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Perry E. Metzger" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 28 09:04:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c01Cu-0006Z3-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:04:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47037 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c01Cx-000869-Cz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:04:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c01CL-000862-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:03:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c01CH-0005Yo-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:03:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c01By-0005TN-QL; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:03:06 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3656 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c01Bq-0007Im-TZ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 03:02:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <20161027170345.1f6c382d@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (perry@piermont.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208919 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:03:45 -0400 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, fabrice.popineau@gmail.com > > > Not everyone is in the same position as you and Paul (or myself). > > > > Sure, but most people never, ever undump an Emacs either unless > they're building from scratch or doing Emacs dev work... Oh, so now we are going to argue that a feature that can't be easily had is not important? Then I'll claim that the Emacs startup time is not important, either, because "most people never, ever" start Emacs except when their machine starts, and their Emacs session is thereafter running for weeks and months without ever restarting. Let's agree to respect other people's usage patterns and circumstances, even if they are different from ours. Emacs is great because it allows so many different patterns, so preferring one of them too much is something we should avoid. If each one of us sees only their personal needs as the most important ones, we will never be able to agree on anything.