From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28597: 26.0.60; [Security] Configure should use --without-pop by default Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 21:47:32 +0300 Message-ID: <83tvzh1j5n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837ewh8x5z.fsf@gnu.org> <87ing17akt.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <834lrl75o6.fsf@gnu.org> <877ewh74oq.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83mv5d5ngv.fsf@gnu.org> <87fub131om.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <83y3ot1mmi.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1506970154 7381 195.159.176.226 (2 Oct 2017 18:49:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nljlistbox2@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com, 28597@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 02 20:49:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5m7-0001H2-IN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 20:49:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53732 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5mE-0003nL-VL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:49:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5m7-0003nC-3f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:49:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5m2-00040L-Fe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35863) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5m2-00040A-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:49:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5m2-0002nq-5K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:49:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28597 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28597-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28597.150697008810709 (code B ref 28597); Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2017 18:48:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5l9-0002mf-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:48:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5l5-0002m6-WD for 28597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:48:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5kz-0002hZ-Ue for 28597@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:47:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45385) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5kt-0002So-59; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2305 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dz5ks-0006dD-5M; Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:47:50 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:00:47 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:137802 Archived-At: > Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, 28597@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 11:00:47 -0700 > > Users accustomed to other email clients are likely to expect that Emacs > "pop:whatever" will do something similar. I'm dubious. And I don't see how setting up other MUA is of any use here, because we also use an encrypted POP3 connection _if_it's_available_, e.g. via Mailutils, Gnus, etc. But nagging users each time they invoke movemail to fetch via POP3 is IMO unacceptable. I'm sick and tired of similar nagging from Firefox, and I definitely will object that Emacs behaves the same. We shouldn't patronize our users to that degree. Let the Emacs packagers worry about making their distributions more secure e,g, by depending on Mailutils. Anyway, I think we've cut enough slices of this salami, so let's stop, and let's leave those who want to use POP3 nonetheless to their devices.