From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44273: "total used in directory 19 available 5.2 GiB" Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:21:21 +0200 Message-ID: <83tuu9f6ha.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sg9zgchl.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <9FFBEBAF-FBB3-4AC9-950E-70B3927032F9@acm.org> <87h7qevdfc.fsf@gnus.org> <83pn52cr8x.fsf@gnu.org> <83eelicpee.fsf@gnu.org> <83zh45bt8q.fsf@gnu.org> <875z6sgqvh.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83eelgb00t.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6w4lzh5.fsf@gnus.org> <837dr8aqog.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg9wkkk6.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6w2qlqc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <878sblgvdn.fsf@gnus.org> <329AE9D0-14BB-477E-AA7F-FC5852F67A7E@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34455"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net, stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, jidanni@jidanni.org, 44273@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 01 16:22:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFBT-0008rn-Vk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 16:22:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45710 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFBS-0002Q2-Ot for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:22:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56964) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFBC-0002Pc-Gi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:22:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54895) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFBB-0006iP-O2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:22:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFBB-0005vJ-KI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:22:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 15:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44273 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix patch Original-Received: via spool by 44273-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44273.160424411322752 (code B ref 44273); Sun, 01 Nov 2020 15:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44273) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2020 15:21:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38208 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFAy-0005uq-RN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:21:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFAw-0005ue-Re for 44273@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:21:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFAr-0006g3-Cu; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:21:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2752 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kZFAk-0004DJ-48; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:21:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <329AE9D0-14BB-477E-AA7F-FC5852F67A7E@acm.org> (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:55:23 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:192401 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 12:55:23 +0100 > Cc: Juri Linkov , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, > jidanni@jidanni.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 44273@debbugs.gnu.org > > 1 nov. 2020 kl. 12.38 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen : > > > It only displays the space used directly in the current directory, which > > is (in general) not interesting information. (I.e., it doesn't descend > > into sub-directories and count the usage there, so in any directory that > > has a sub-directory, the data is misleading at best.) > > Right, and it's worse. Even if we knew exactly the unit used (sectors, kibibytes, imperial qubits), what we get for a subdirectory is still platform-dependent. > > Except that it's worse than that. The semantics may vary between file-systems on a single machine. > > Except that it's even worse. It may depend on the history of the subdirectory. For instance, it could be the maximum number of disk hardware sectors used for the internal representation of some of the metadata for that directory at any time in the past. (This is probably the original meaning of the number.) This actually means that this value provides information that is not directly available in the file sizes. So it is useful. I find the notion that we should remove from display a useful quantity just because it might be tricky to interpret in some situation, especially by people who are not proficient in this stuff. 'ls' shows it, and Dired isn't supposed to lose stuff that 'ls -al' provides.