From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:10:10 +0300 Message-ID: <83tuhzbpb1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <080048e19179c4f4bd8ab0241d733190@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37721"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 14:11:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdrH-0009eS-Gq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:11:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57368 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdrF-0004FI-Bg for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:11:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55926) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdr4-0004Em-HO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46599) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdr4-0007SP-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdr3-0000Im-U1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:11:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 12:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.16331766481139 (code B ref 50959); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 12:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 12:10:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58145 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdqq-0000IJ-D3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:10:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdqo-0000I5-L1 for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:10:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdqi-0007D1-Nl; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:10:40 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4977 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWdqW-0005vO-8X; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:10:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <080048e19179c4f4bd8ab0241d733190@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (message from Phil Sainty on Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:53:55 +1300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216134 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 00:53:55 +1300 > From: Phil Sainty > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 50959@debbugs.gnu.org > > Hi João, > > On 2021-10-03 00:02, João Távora wrote: > > In other words, Phil, if you wish me to do anything about this bug, you > > must explain exactly what you are doing and what you expect. What does > > it mean precisely for "Emacs to recognise the shorthand symbols > > generally". Currently it "recognizes" them when the buffer where they > > are setup is current. > > I'm just the messenger on this occasion. I was describing to Eli how > shorthands exhibit the exact same problem that was objectionable in the > "nameless" approach, and he asked me to raise it as a bug. Let me translate: is "C-h" command the only use case you have in mind where you saw a problem with shorthands? If there are others, and they involve Emacs's internal functionalities (as opposed to, say, searching with Grep or some other text-oriented tool), please describe them. > I think that the shorthand symbols will need to be interned to avoid > this (or at least I can't think of any other solution which avoids the > problem). They are already, or something very similar.