From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking the output of `C-h b' Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 19:17:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83tugvlrrb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87lf29xdkf.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7cxx9bh.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgqpvtky.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91dvt6y.fsf@gnus.org> <87o874vhp2.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0hsvgvv.fsf@gnus.org> <87bl34iosa.fsf@yahoo.com> <875ytcigzr.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h7cwm4xm.fsf@gnu.org> <87v91bol47.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9467"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Matthias Meulien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 01 18:19:26 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mhaxy-0002GO-Gn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 18:19:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45668 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhaxx-0002j1-KY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:19:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhawR-0000IT-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:17:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhawQ-0007Gd-WA; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:17:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PAOoFYHJWpcOZ7H5TDTTgY/EkzxVQYOUDcC/WdhdcBE=; b=lX43opMDyTlB hWMh/A4Ay3rCaRThvMX4WJMpnC1z22JAQLbsILSFzvFESWM602IsBmhAzSdoJ4eVMlTO0POWkWJvk nc7knvuclYSN0vKwuX/geMjXZCT/M1PS/3KBNP5UNydtayBqLLo/idt2P8J9cZFZ1w/5LdGA+GBHu 7nJnQs1k8pz0ndbN9u0L5lZhBZ2jmsGTVNn5+8JjlJkXhiq3jsetml+TqXhEZcQxxwVYt8dqpeaPL 1awlFeH7PBZrVtGKDqFng9tfEAIBoTg+OOAZDOcG3+Hh/f/i0m67FIrYNCdnn5T/BmYCGoSzv1i/7 T8EYTMuQFO9cq+qa95RLaA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1264 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mhawQ-000106-HE; Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:17:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87v91bol47.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Matthias Meulien on Mon, 01 Nov 2021 18:12:56 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278403 Archived-At: > From: Matthias Meulien > Cc: Po Lu , larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 18:12:56 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Po Lu > >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:26:16 +0800 > >> > >> How about an arrow bitmap in the left fringe? Could that work? > > > > Some people disable the fringes, so this is not a good idea for such a > > basic feature, one directed at newbies and confused users at that. > > But, using the fringe is the only solution that preserves columns > alignment! Please give it a second thought. What column alignment do you have in mind, and why would it not be preserved without using the fringes? Do you see such a problem in the Customize buffers? > Also is a newby expected to disable the fringe?? Yes, because they tend to copycat init files by other users.