From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Undo mode Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:58 +0200 Message-ID: <83tudwm4z9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86tudyw1ir.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czklpngc.fsf@gnu.org> <83y239nvyf.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 22 11:38:50 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nBDnG-0000Fd-2j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 11:38:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60168 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBDnF-0007zO-06 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 05:38:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40646) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBDll-0007BP-Uz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 05:37:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=48924 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBDll-00014T-LC; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 05:37:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=in/IHHVpvduYR78TC/hb6g4s+EF0wBV+ZNNjR7mp1a0=; b=cKYyHr7bZBYE Vczutodv+5JjYMJax3PMlcjeDbk0AeIROvVPIrRYnkD6kEhg9qdsOPxeItdmIMDPEkuL4ImCar3Jd euneU+0re0qwjFo6dpn3Uhj2ejxTW3hwvHXxialtsdTaEBhpbDL733NB47qcIXaH6+B+sgHvDU1yh h6e31bGk6HOWfbtDKQI3RBk7BzeOo3dKhnqvXHwvZxusXzQ+plEvOFUtyK4sR0P85C4VFemRDS1NB qxdMvn1j2CPnZ7K4G92Y5v+YrYMxRZyN2CqRNbGD68hmVieFMoG+V+1867idEZwuAZ0AneWoH3Avi cUboN8uIOOinZSJcW4CbCA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3800 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBDll-0002WY-4u; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 05:37:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 22 Jan 2022 09:51:39 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:285189 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 09:51:39 +0000 > Cc: juri@linkov.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > That was the conclusion of our discussion of the original issue. > > Please re-read it if you want to understand the reasons. > > I did of course, but I still fail to see it. Is it about the memory > consumption? If so, did anyone measure its impact? I'd have thought > that the memory impact was insignificant. Memory consumption, and also turning on by default a new mode that wasn't there before. > Re-reading that discussion (now twice) just takes me back to the > conclusion that this makes Emacs harder to use, with no clear benefit. How can it make Emacs harder to use when by default absolutely nothing has changed?? Please make your claims at least remotely aligned with the facts. > Perhaps we should have a `low-memory-mode' to turn down _several_ > defaults and disable some "memory intensive" features. That might have > a measurable impact (we would need to check that), and would make much > more sense to me than disabling this undo command for that reason. Bikeshedding go!