From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2022 09:10:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83tu4kw23v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83edvqafr7.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsg6m5zx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83mtaeys7k.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7uukngi.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83a66czz5q.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtacyfvl.fsf@gnu.org> <835yh0yc75.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39540"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rlb@defaultvalue.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 04 08:19:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofbGl-000A4w-O9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 08:19:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56844 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofbGj-0003Gq-S3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:19:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofb8U-00010D-VR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:10:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofb8T-0005gd-6c; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:10:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=95hUkZ6+YaBN7aDTxw48QqpzAEkNtpaRyWAd4Tcx63k=; b=M+117wVNB2bB rjZ42lt+wbgM4EwY1CXeTJVbMBDg7FgNhM3TC/vRpcHTviw8Uo4xjv8DmEYyuZfJFuPi1vT67mTDS NORDXCfE4kO0RCHN0Q+5n48PDDzbB3aVcnhKWLKvexrmemT8MZUfAjcJsr9KV+/uiih/xtTosFZKT 1Snklwug9Mg7DX8qM2LMLUfhRxytYYsmrkf0t3O5qyYP3aOgVbcnfzGIyftsG1EdeX+Ek6XBGrHKM wHJFYS0haNpOthS9kYSIMWRLEVF5qm8uCa5eGAWBRY/ujF936HD2OiWeO5cn4afyhb9UstUaWyNTj lU65iyWnLxnEBNkoNWqBuQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4229 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofb8S-0006VK-E3; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:10:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 3 Oct 2022 23:58:28 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296837 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 23:58:28 +0200 > Cc: rlb@defaultvalue.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> compilation warnings are still very common (the situation is > >> improving, tho, and arguably the warnings popping up out of the blue > >> during lazy native compilation may prove to be a good way to convince > >> more package authors to clean up their act). > > > > So this, too, is extremely temporary, and will disappear soon enough, > > at least in popular packages. > > I don't see that the situation has substantially improved You are too impatient, IMO. This stuff takes time to propagate; Emacs 28 is just beginning to be widely used (otherwise we'd have this discussion many moons ago). We had these problems in Emacs as well, originally. > Here are some recent examples, to give an idea: > > https://github.com/deb0ch/emacs-winum/pull/31 > https://github.com/lewang/ws-butler/pull/40 > https://github.com/Malabarba/aggressive-indent-mode/pull/150 > > These examples can be multiplied at will. Yes, it is easy to think the problem is larger and more significant than it really is.