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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ppBzN-0000v2-Vt; Wed, 19 Apr 2023 13:53:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <239207ca-d7c5-bb10-4865-d5c76d3251b3@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:23:05 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260287 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:23:05 +0300 > Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > From: Dmitry Gutov > > > But note that this is not what João is saying. He says 1.14 will not > > be in Emacs 29.1, period. No matter how long I will drag the pretest. > > He certainly doesn't want to invest the effort of making Eglot 1.14 > > less dependent on latest changes in other packages, so as to make sure > > we could drop Eglot 1.14 into Emacs 29 without risking any problems > > elsewhere. And that more or less seals the issue, effectively setting > > your N to infinity. > > I think you're simply talking past each other, and will essentially > agree on that "N weeks" thing outside of this discussion. I wish. > But also note that you added a complication: avoid bumping the required > dependencies. If the backport is not performed as-is and needs > additional changes (with extra shims, stubbed new features, etc, instead > of simply using new features from the latest eldoc.el), then you are not > just asking whether the maintainer thinks the new version is good and > stable, but also whether they are willing to expend extra effort > altering it and maintaining diverging versions of code. Yes, noted.