From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64596@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#64596: 30.0.50; On FIXME: in src/buffer.c:1481 (force-mode-line-update)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:05:11 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ttu6e2l4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvsf9qcs5p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 13:38:11 -0400)
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 64596@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 13:38:11 -0400
>
> > No, one variable is not enough -- it will never tell us which of the
> > potential flags or settings of the flag requires to be reinstated. We
> > need to be able to investigate this at a finer granularity.
>
> I doubt it.
>
> What we need in order to investigate is a somewhat reproducible test
> case and for that we need the bug to be exposed to as many users as
> possible to increase the chance that one of them bumps into
> a good recipe.
>
> The variable is not used to investigate, but to make it ethical to
> expose users to those potential bugs because they can set the var to
> recover the old behavior as soon as they're tired of playing the
> guinea pig.
That's not what I had in mind when I proposed this approach.
What I had in mind was to investigate the need for every one of the
variables we use to disable redisplay optimizations in the various
cases: the prevent_redisplay_optimizations_p flag, the
update_mode_lines variable, the windows_or_buffers_changed variable,
etc. -- in the places in xdisp.c where these are heeded. The purpose
was to understand better which ones should be used where and why.
This cannot be done with a single variable.
So if you want a single variable for some "ethical"
pseudo-investigation, I guess we deeply disagree here. I'm not
interested in such "investigation".
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2023-07-13 13:00 bug#64596: 30.0.50; On FIXME: in src/buffer.c:1481 (force-mode-line-update) Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 17:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-14 11:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-14 12:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-14 13:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-14 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-14 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-14 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-14 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 17:20 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-13 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 21:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-13 22:02 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-14 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-14 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-14 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-14 17:38 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-14 17:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-14 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 7:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-15 8:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-15 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 16:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-15 16:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 17:15 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-15 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 10:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 18:15 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-15 19:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 19:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-15 19:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-15 23:10 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 5:49 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 8:26 ` martin rudalics
2023-07-16 8:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 9:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 10:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 8:30 ` martin rudalics
2023-07-15 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 5:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 5:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 7:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 10:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 10:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-16 11:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 18:53 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-16 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 22:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-17 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 12:53 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-07-17 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 19:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-16 20:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 2:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 9:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 11:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-17 12:00 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-17 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-18 9:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-18 11:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-19 10:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-19 14:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-19 15:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-19 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-20 9:40 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-07-20 10:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-21 2:41 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-21 5:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-23 3:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-14 19:05 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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