From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:35:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9uvv6ng.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bof9s7cl.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <874nl0ov8g.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <20635.63115.874182.168553@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87liecnelf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <83390k0wgy.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352446593 15990 80.91.229.3 (9 Nov 2012 07:36:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, nix@esperi.org.uk, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 09 08:36:42 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWj8r-0005Jx-4a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:36:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWj8h-0002zB-WB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWj8e-0002yv-2k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:28 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWj8c-0000Zn-Oy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:64695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWj8c-0000Za-HO; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:26 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MD700E00MEJRV00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:35:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MD700EP4MFLQ250@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 09:35:46 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154753 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 21:52:27 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: nix@esperi.org.uk, dan@haxney.org, eli@barzilay.org, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org > > Point is always within the range of text that is displayed in the window. > With hscroll, parts of the lines in the window don't actually appear; > that's why point can be hscrolled off the side. Nonetheless, it is still > within the range of text that is displayed in the window. Yes, that is true. But the point I wanted to make is that nothing in Emacs really assumes that point must be on the displayed portion of the buffer. Rather, the display engine deliberately scrolls text to make sure point is visible. So I don't think Emacs will go down in flames if some feature inhibits this automatic scrolling. The auto-hscroll example was a demonstration of how Emacs command still work in a sensible way when point is not visible.