From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Speeding up Emacs load time Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:29:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83sizf3cdx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r4ezdiiy.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87r4ez92ry.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373913034 25373 80.91.229.3 (15 Jul 2013 18:30:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:30:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 15 20:30:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UynXd-0006JA-Lk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 20:30:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52019 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UynXa-0000c0-6p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:30:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UynXO-0000bD-U2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UynXN-0008Nv-6f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:53045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UynXM-0008M8-RC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MPZ00300PZFON00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:29:28 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MPZ002Q6Q13C8T0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:29:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87r4ez92ry.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92141 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 19:00:33 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Yes, it is. I'm guessing that the above is due to the fact that > > you missed many external programs that Emacs invokes to provide > > some of its features. Those programs exist in Windows ports ... > > I'm sure they do, but when I run a command, I don't think in which > module that is, to me it is all Emacs. If you want "M-x grep" and "M-x compile" and "M-x flyspell-mode" and LaTeX and whatnot, you need to set that up. No Bob will do that for you. You want a working development environment, you need to install its parts -- Grep, GCC, ispell/hunspell, you name it. Expecting that to somehow miraculously materialize out of thin air is not very wise. Assigning the blame to Emacs is misdirected. > Perhaps my statement should be specified into: Emacs AND Linux is > not the same as Emacs AND Windows. That goes both ways. > It doesn't matter if Emacs is > the same, if it doesn't play the same in a new environment - > perhaps Emacs should *not* be the same to make it work the same? It _is_ the same. Whether or not this is right is another issue and another argument. > My .emacs broke on a dozen plus places - and the only thing I ever > installed separately on Debian is some LaTeX stuff (that I > remember). See above. My .emacs works on Windows and GNU/Linux alike, has done that for the last 10 years if not more. > Just to give you an example: big files. I *never* had a > problem editing, scrolling (browsing), etc., big files in > Linux. In Windows, it started to lag like crazy. That's outdated. Even on 32-bit Windows, Emacs can edit 1.7 GB files, if you have enough VM. And, just to give you a counter-example, Emacs on 64-bit GNU/Linux would crash and burn with files larger than 2GB until a few versions back. > The whole thing was so frustrating I decided never to do it again, > after putting a considerable effort to make it work (on the same > computer). I believe that you got it to work, but I don't believe > I could do the same. Life is strange, you might yet find yourself some day in the need to do it again. Maybe you should save this message for then.