From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Git transition checklist
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 22:52:21 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sisydwmy.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140108135200.8ECF9380834@snark.thyrsus.com>
> From: esr@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond)
> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 08:52:00 -0500 (EST)
>
> > 5. Have the procedures and the recommended workflows described on the
> > wiki, similar to what was done with bzr migration.
>
> That is now done. I have created two new pages on EmacsWiki,
> GitForEmacsDevs and GitQuickStartForEmacsDevs. These are adapted from
> the corresponding *Bzr* pages but describe git commands to perform
> equivalent operations.
Thanks. I have some comments/questions on that:
. The section about merging to the upstream master seems to omit "git
push" after merging the task onto the master branch. It ends with
the "git commit" command, which AFAIK is not the end of the story.
. The few places that describe a merge from another branch seem to
say that one needs to issue 2 commands: "git merge" and "git commit".
Perhaps I'm confused, but isn't it true that "git merge"
automatically commits if there are no conflicts? If I'm right, an
explicit commit is needed after merge only when there are conflicts
to be resolved.
For the same reason, is "git revert" TRT when a push upstream fails
after a merge from the local task branch, because someone else
pushed meanwhile? The merge is already committed locally, so what
will revert do? I think one will need "git reset" in this case.
. I would suggest describing the setup of git-merge-changelog,
because as long as we keep ChangeLog files in the repository,
people might bump into conflicts in the logs, and it would be nice
to avoid that.
. I think we should discuss some more how to work with the
development trunk and the release branch in parallel, and reflect
the results of the discussion in the Wiki.
The issue here is that the release branch and the trunk diverge
very quickly after the branch point, and the result is that after
you checkout the other branch, you generally need a very long
build, many times a full bootstrap. While on a modern system, a
full bootstrap should take a few minutes, it is still annoyingly
long, and makes higher the risk of losing the race against other
committers. In addition, you only have a single executable at any
given time, so comparison of behavior between the two branches is
difficult.
So perhaps we should find a way of having two separate branches,
such that switching between them does not require a build if
nothing changed.
> The only omission is that I left out the git equivalent of bzr bundle.
I think the section about publishing a task was also omitted. Was
that on purpose?
> An interesting side effect of doing this translation, by the way, is
> that I now know the exact git-command equivalents for the recommended
> workflow in Bazaar. Rather to my surprise, the git procedures are
> simpler!
>
> I'm surprised at this because Bazaar, whatever its other failings, had
> a reputation as being simpler to use than git which I believed was
> deserved. But, at least for the workflows described, git avoids so
> much complexity and ceremony by not having the branch-vs.-repo
> distinction that the gain from this swamps git's other UI
> shortcomings.
Can we please stop the apology and concentrate on the task at hand?
This kind of comments can only annoy those who are still in mourning
of the need to switch. (And no, I don't see how the git procedures
are simpler, except due to some omissions and non-existent features,
they are roughly the same.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-08 20:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-08 13:52 Git transition checklist Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 16:35 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-08 17:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 18:08 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-08 18:21 ` Improved git commit emails [was Re: Git transition checklist] Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 18:37 ` Improved git commit emails Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 21:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-12 5:44 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-13 2:22 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-15 2:10 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-15 7:35 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-20 1:09 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-20 2:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20 4:27 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-22 19:20 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-23 18:42 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-28 23:45 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-29 0:57 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-31 0:41 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-08 16:48 ` Git transition checklist Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 17:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 18:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 19:02 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 19:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 19:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 17:49 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 18:17 ` David Engster
2014-01-08 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 19:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 19:16 ` David Engster
2014-01-08 18:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 19:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 15:02 ` Stephen Berman
2014-01-08 16:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 16:37 ` Git repack on Savannah [was: Re: Git transition checklist] James Cloos
2014-01-12 6:11 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-12 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 15:33 ` Git transition checklist Bastien
2014-01-08 16:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 16:20 ` Bastien
2014-01-08 17:48 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:15 ` Dani Moncayo
2014-01-08 18:22 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 18:26 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 19:00 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 19:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 19:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 19:16 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 19:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 23:07 ` Dani Moncayo
2014-01-12 20:15 ` Bob Proulx
2014-01-13 10:50 ` Bastien
2014-01-08 15:34 ` Bastien
2014-01-08 16:13 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 17:47 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 20:02 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 20:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 21:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-09 0:54 ` James Cloos
2014-01-09 1:23 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-09 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 0:51 ` James Cloos
2014-01-09 1:36 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-09 1:48 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-09 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 11:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-09 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 16:45 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-09 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 11:53 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-09 1:53 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-09 2:13 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-09 12:14 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-09 14:55 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-09 15:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-09 15:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-09 16:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-09 2:12 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-09 4:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-09 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 8:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-09 11:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-09 14:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-09 14:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-09 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 18:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-09 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 19:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-09 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-09 20:17 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-09 20:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 21:49 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-10 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-11 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-11 20:09 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-11 20:32 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-12 10:30 ` Jorgen Schaefer
2014-01-13 22:34 ` Barry Warsaw
2014-01-13 17:06 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-13 17:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-14 17:05 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-09 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09 15:33 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 18:29 ` Glenn Morris
2014-01-08 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 20:17 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-08 19:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 18:45 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-08 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 19:15 ` Achim Gratz
2014-01-08 19:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-01-08 20:11 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 20:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 20:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-08 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 21:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-01-09 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 21:47 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-08 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-01-08 21:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 21:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-14 17:42 Angelo Graziosi
2014-01-15 12:29 ` Richard Stallman
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