From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:05:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83sigy53m2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a93cngwv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837fyfml31.fsf@gnu.org> <874mtio7wh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> <83a938aeuc.fsf@gnu.org> <838uir8huv.fsf@gnu.org> <831toi6r4w.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417543562 28309 80.91.229.3 (2 Dec 2014 18:06:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 18:06:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 02 19:05:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xvrph-0002xx-1J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:05:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38136 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xvrpg-0006UY-JZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:05:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60687) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvrpY-0006UK-MF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvrpS-0002vM-FR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:05:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:37791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvrpS-0002uU-5o; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NFY00F00VDB9J00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:05:32 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NFY00FM8VL73MA0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:05:32 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <831toi6r4w.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178701 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 16:52:15 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > It is easy to make an option turn off bidi processing. > > All it has to do is make all characters seem LTR. > > That doesn't disable reordering, it just makes the results > indistinguishable. Actually, even this is not true: the directional overrides will still have their effect. So deeper changes are needed to countermand that as well. And I still don't understand the purpose of such a feature. Users who cannot read RTL won't be able to understand the text either way, and don't know what is "the right" display to make any sense out of what will be presented when bidi processing is "turned off".