From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:42:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83sigt1ax1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83mw722eit.fsf@gnu.org> <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <87oarhzt87.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <20141205222416.GH7784@thyrsus.com> <834mt93d4k.fsf@gnu.org> <20141206045851.GA14890@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417851781 10763 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 07:43:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 07:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 08:42:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxA0z-0005Mn-KU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 08:42:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53652 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxA0z-00028r-9L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxA0j-00028l-VG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:42:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxA0f-0007fg-IE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:42:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:44622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxA0f-0007ew-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:42:33 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG500400GX1OI00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:40:08 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG500NS0HAVT850@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:40:08 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20141206045851.GA14890@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179102 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:58:51 -0500 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii : > > Nonsense. There's no hostility here. > > I think if you asked on #emacs you might discover that this opinion is ... > not widely shared. I challenge you to ask and then post the results here, including similar results for other Free Software projects. I'm old enough to know the answer, having seen hostility, including towards myself, and being able to tell when I see it.