From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20943: 25.0.50; Dired buffers are not always auto-reverted Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:43:37 +0300 Message-ID: <83si8wbm9i.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y4j1oy87.fsf@openmailbox.org> <87pp41cvl1.fsf@openmailbox.org> <83615tv14o.fsf@gnu.org> <874mldtkl9.fsf@openmailbox.org> <874mld18cx.fsf@gmx.de> <87egkh3yav.fsf@openmailbox.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1436507066 11363 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2015 05:44:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20943@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de To: Mark Karpov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 07:44:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6a-0004F0-IO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 07:44:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6Z-0006fk-Ls for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41559) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6V-0006fS-WF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6Q-0007Vv-WC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:44:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44281) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6Q-0007VR-SV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6Q-0000vI-Gf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20943 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20943-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20943.14365070293524 (code B ref 20943); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 05:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20943) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2015 05:43:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45727 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6D-0000um-8S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:59869) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDR6A-0000uX-5H for 20943@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:43:47 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NR900600BNOHE00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20943@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:43:39 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NR90068LBWRHY00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:43:39 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87egkh3yav.fsf@openmailbox.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104871 Archived-At: > From: Mark Karpov > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 20943@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:50:48 +0600 > > > Currently I'm happy with my version of ‘auto-revert-buffer’. If you > think it gets too hairy. I can just create a package that fixes all this > stuff, so Dired can be really interactive and put it on MELPA for > example. > > But as a user, I'm telling you that current standard behavior is really > confusing. If you set something to auto-revert your Dired buffer (and > this is something many people expect from utility to browse > directories), than when it works sometimes, but cease to work when you > made changes (probably having no idea that the buffer now considered > «modified») — this ain't good. No one's disputing that. The only issue we need to resolve is how to let Dired buffers auto-revert even when the user actually edits the directory, without causing unnecessary re-reads of the directory (for the sake of remote directories).