From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24825: [help-texinfo] "help" content Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:30:57 +0200 Message-ID: <83shrdpzni.fsf__47773.0004270144$1477845145$gmane$org@gnu.org> References: <20161017182623.GC2852@bhayya.baalamithra> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477845145 20570 195.159.176.226 (30 Oct 2016 16:32:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24825@debbugs.gnu.org, madh2001@gmail.com, help-texinfo@gnu.org To: Gavin Smith Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 30 17:32:21 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1l-0003R6-Lh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:32:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59151 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1o-0004wB-50 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1i-0004w2-L7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1e-00025x-Nv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:50157) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1e-00025t-LY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t1e-0002K0-F9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24825 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24825-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24825.14778450628837 (code B ref 24825); Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24825) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2016 16:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37323 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t0f-0002IQ-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t0d-0002I6-Eh for 24825@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:30:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t0X-0001s7-HK for 24825@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:30:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t0S-0001rU-CQ; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2477 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c0t0R-00048l-6K; Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:30:47 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Gavin Smith on Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:08:40 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125153 Archived-At: > From: Gavin Smith > Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:08:40 +0000 > Cc: "help-texinfo@gnu.org" > > On 17 October 2016 at 19:26, madhou wrote: > > I just noticed in the "help" content which is accessed via the key 'h', it is > > mentionned that the '?' key stroke should display a brief list of commands. It > > actually prompts with a "Regexp search backward: " instead. After doing some > > search on internet I found that the right key that works on my version of > > texinfo is 'H'. I'm running slackware 14.2, the version of the GNU texinfo > > shipped within is 6.1. > > Hello, the content accessed via 'h' (the info.info file) is maintained > in Emacs. Maybe one of their developers could change the text? > > (info)Help-^L > > You have just learned a considerable number of commands. If you want > to use one but have trouble remembering which, you should type '?', > which displays a brief list of commands. When you are finished looking > at the list, make it go away by typing repeatedly. There's a problem here: the '?' key still does in Emacs what the manual says it should. So this is a discrepancy between the Emacs Info reader and the stand-alone Info reader, and I'm not sure Emacs should be the one which changes. Why was '?' in the stand-alone reader bound to search-backward? It makes little sense to me, at least when in the default Emacs mode. (I notice that '?' has the same binding in the vi mode, perhaps someone wanted to have the cake and eat it, too?)