From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add a separate mode for .dir-locals.el Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:59:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83sgnm2wl1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2058328b-aee5-8cb1-2659-a793e1354517@mit.edu> <835zkndcz4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftjrbjhm.fsf@gnu.org> <83ftjr9sx4.fsf@gnu.org> <83eezb9s5b.fsf@gnu.org> <83bluf9qgb.fsf@gnu.org> <835zkn9o01.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfti8ovn.fsf@gnu.org> <83d0eu8c80.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfth6p0y.fsf@gnu.org> <7f141905-6be3-2c21-e2af-b5926dd80223@gmail.com> <5c9ce9a7-aaa7-8299-e5be-498cb4f2b173@yandex.ru> <8336fo6koq.fsf@gnu.org> <09a6f3b6-6743-fe31-4be8-9283e59753fd@yandex.ru> <83eez64nw3.fsf@gnu.org> <8336fm4li7.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2xe2yvk.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="115234"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 13:21:02 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMVkE-000TqV-0d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:21:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38096 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMVkC-0007Ys-GH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 07:21:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46306) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMVPP-0003Im-Qr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 06:59:32 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34987) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMVPO-0003nc-Sx; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 06:59:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4283 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iMVPN-0001OH-VX; Mon, 21 Oct 2019 06:59:30 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= on Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:28:01 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:241290 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:28:01 +0100 > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Clément Pit-Claudel , > Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel > > > not lisp data. Can you concede that, or is that still controversial? > No, I disagree. Lisp data is as much Lisp as Lisp programs. There's > no distinction in Lisp between data and code. > > A lisp program file is a Lisp data file, we concur. > A lisp data is _not necessarily_ a lisp program file. There is no "Lisp program", only "Lisp data". A program is Lisp data that makes sense as a program. > Here is another way to look at it: If this last proposition were true, > we would have no problem, nothing to fix. Yet, we do. You have > even provided a patch. Hence, your proposition conflicts with > reality, i.e. is false. The argument is not about the need for a fix, it's about where the fix should be. Ideally, the byte-compiler should have got its act together and not attempted to produce code out of those files. Failing that, we need to help the byte compiler DTRT. > This was also already said several times. > > By you, exclusively, right? Or by someone else I missed? Also by Andreas and by Richard.