From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7426"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 16:40:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9rbY-0001nL-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:40:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56470 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9rbX-000114-3X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:40:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9raE-0008FT-32 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:39:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45500) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9raD-00049o-5A; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:39:13 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1386 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l9raC-00009J-KL; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:39:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:00:07 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264293 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: stefan@marxist.se, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:00:07 -0500 > > > What do we tell all those (myself included) who require generic-x in > > their init files? > > I don't know what they need to be told. > Can you clarify what broke or risks breaking because of the change? I thought it was clear: suddenly those users will have a gazillion modes defined they never intended to use or load or even know about. > > And while at that: why did you think that variable was ugly and had > > to go? > > Because a file that defines different sets of functions depending on > some configuration variable tends to be problematic (I can't remember > the exact issue that prompted my suggestion but it was related to that > IIRC). I'm sorry, I don't really see any problem with that. We have lived with that problem for many years. So I tend to think the cure is worse than the disease.