From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se,
jasonspiro4@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:38:02 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sg3nu8kl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c40b32b1f8ed9adb6c08@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:10:45 +0000)
> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:10:45 +0000
> From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
> cc: larsi@gnus.org, jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org,
> stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
>
> > I don't see how Emacs is the odd one out here.
>
> It just feels awkward by today's standards.
I don't share that opinion, but maybe we have different ideas of
today's standards.
> > And we are bikeshedding again: the opinions are clearly divided, and
> > Emacs lets each one of us customize this feature as they see fit. So
> > why is arguing about the default so important, when there's clearly no
> > consensus?
>
> We are discussing what a better default could be; in another thread the
> discussion is about a better default for the 'match' face. Is discussing
> the default UX useless because everyone can customize everything?
That's not what I said. Discussing changes in the defaults is useful
when there's consensus and/or when customization is tricky. Neither
of those are true in this case.
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Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-09 1:50 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 2:00 ` Processed: " Emacs bug Tracking System
2008-11-09 3:57 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-09 4:08 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-09 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-10 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 6:28 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-11 21:20 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should usevisual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-10 8:34 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-11 18:38 ` Jason A. Spiro
2008-11-10 22:17 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-11 18:50 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-12 3:33 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-13 7:41 ` Jason Spiro
2021-04-17 6:06 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 11:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 12:31 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 12:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 12:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 14:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 10:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:32 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 19:17 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-04-17 17:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-17 20:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:09 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 21:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:52 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 22:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 23:30 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 10:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 12:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 13:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 15:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 12:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 20:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 18:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 18:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 18:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 19:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-19 12:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 18:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 18:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 19:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 16:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:38 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 17:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 12:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 12:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 12:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 14:41 ` Alan Third
2021-04-20 14:21 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-20 18:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-20 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 1:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 6:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 13:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 14:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:35 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 21:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 21:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-27 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-27 9:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-27 15:15 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-27 23:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-28 10:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-28 13:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 16:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 19:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 20:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 21:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 23:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 23:35 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-01 16:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-01 16:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-02 10:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30 7:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 22:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 23:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 23:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 0:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:05 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-01 1:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 2:05 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30 7:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 22:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-29 23:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 6:58 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 13:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 5:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 6:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 7:27 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 8:41 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 15:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 16:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 22:03 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 16:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 12:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:27 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 11:10 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-04-18 15:14 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-17 13:16 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-17 16:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2008-11-10 21:25 ` Xavier Maillard
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