From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding transient to Emacs core Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:12:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83sg3cj4p4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87czuqi86o.fsf@bernoul.li> <83r1ixjmaw.fsf@gnu.org> <20210426.232619.84251936160764155.enometh@meer.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30642"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Madhu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 26 20:13:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lb5jv-0007sj-IT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 20:13:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54476 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb5ju-0002Iw-M4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38316) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb5ih-0001kl-4B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33953) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lb5ig-0002Fw-7M; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:12:30 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2948 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lb5ic-0007eO-U8; Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:12:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20210426.232619.84251936160764155.enometh@meer.net> (message from Madhu on Mon, 26 Apr 2021 23:26:19 +0530 (IST)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:268500 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 23:26:19 +0530 (IST) > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Madhu > > * Eli Zaretskii <83r1ixjmaw.fsf@gnu.org> > Wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:51:51 +0300 > > Then please describe those problems in detail, preferably in a bug > > report. > > I believe I did that in sufficient detail - my message detailed the > exact assumptions made by jonas' code and the exact scenarios in which > those assumptions fail. > > Did you read it for the details? Of course. It still left me wondering about the specifics. > >> Until these issues are addressed I would prefer that new code in the > >> core not use transient.el > > > > We cannot agree with this conclusion unless we understand the details. > > I believe Jonas understands the problems but isn't concerned about the > failure scenarios. I would like to understand the problem myself in sufficient detail. > The main issue is there can be (very reasonable) situations in which > you will not be able to give emacs input when prompted by transient. I asked to describe them in enough detail for someone like me to understand and be able to reason about them.