From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:42:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83sg0c2kdx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83im1948mj.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27922"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Shane Mulligan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 18 08:43:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m50WX-00076y-ON for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 08:43:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59530 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m50WW-0005LX-NH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 02:43:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m50VN-0004Fo-QT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 02:42:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38022) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m50VN-0000tW-JB; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 02:42:25 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3570 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m50VN-0002Hw-7o; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 02:42:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Shane Mulligan on Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:02:17 +1200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271353 Archived-At: > From: Shane Mulligan > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:02:17 +1200 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers > > The following is why emacs needs open-source prompts -- ones that don't learn from you or are sold to you > > - Ones that you write for yourself. > - An open-source prompts melpa at the very least! > > As I tried to describe before, it's a fundamentally new way of programming. An extension of Donald Knuth's > literate programming becoming imaginary programming, but being hijacked by microsoft. > > Microsft GPT is an attack on the innermost workings of emacs -- the text stream. So embracing the > OpenSource alternatives from EleutherAI is crucial. > > I have said enough. I leave you with this article. > > https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/16/openai-disbands-its-robotics-research-team/ We have a special mailing list for such Emacs "tangents": emacs-tangents@gnu.org. Please post this stuff there, and reserve posting to this list for stuff that directly pertains to Emacs development. For example, with the issues you raise here, if you have specific suggestions to provide such capabilities in Emacs, describing that would be appropriate. By contrast, articles about AI-related developments out there, and who purchased whom and for how much, is not appropriate. Please help us keeping the signal-to-noise ratio of this list as high as possible. TIA