From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 21:28:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83sfxj9t7q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <83y27bbs4d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtnr3chk.fsf@gmail.com> <8735pj3amy.fsf@gmail.com> <83r1d3boeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilyfbj9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee93bhma.fsf@gnu.org> <834k9zbezg.fsf@gnu.org> <83v92f9um9.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35081"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 20:30:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjlz-0008uk-Ub for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:30:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54188 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjly-0002vq-F6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjlq-0002ts-Ld for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:49000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjlq-0002cp-Cm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjlq-0007Ap-A2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.163319934327471 (code B ref 50959); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 18:29:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60545 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjkt-000790-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjkr-00078W-Ap for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjkm-0001an-4Z; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:28:56 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4716 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWjkl-0000CW-OO; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:28:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:03:43 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216190 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:03:43 +0100 > Cc: Phil Sainty , 50959@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:58 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > We are talking at cross-purposes. You are talking about the > > underlying mechanism; I'm talking about the user's experience. From > > the UX POV, it is unexpected to be unable to get help about a > > symbol-like thing the user sees in the buffer. > > I'm taking both things into consideration. Does that mean that > your answer to my questionnaire is 'a.' or "mostly" 'a.'? > > a. "I wonder what that that 's-thingy' over there is/means or what > documentation there is for it.?" > > I'm assuming that since you wrote "sees in the buffer". Yes.