From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 13:23:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83sfai1nq6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <83edmask4z.fsf@gnu.org> <5c02371a-3c42-de66-70b7-4ed0d88cc3fa@gutov.dev> <834jn159vs.fsf@gnu.org> <831qi23bif.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzvuy2e7.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10723"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 23 12:24:31 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qCdxu-0002WE-Mu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 12:24:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCdx6-0007Ll-Oj; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:23:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCdx2-0007LW-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:23:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCdwo-0008Ir-QG; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:23:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gU9rAYq/5AMzuh6ypQU+7NmoJzsoB4KCaUUXjf/FkIE=; b=jPX5DyaYke3B 0L+Sufj34tpgcXjLeiJG5G0h4SePaiUqceEAypw647ygPwogZC9KP5W4JbAp9bYXylHPmIBD/4wTU xSv7D+6bF8XAkcwitK3YMS7zaRMrUY5YWY5idycf3yQGqIJsRO4K9M5pJcyaWRrFejx1PUTYm65Jq ZaFDugRWIgzQ8EEX7sML1PuuOUvXMzGKPS53Hwe3TR9bnoBotEhjPne/c5wIE8RT+Re2qX4TfxlPP r3/hdANVmFOOH4y0R3qrsWEPFjIFAbObLKzORgaUUE62Uffh33zN5W3sKy/SfrII+yGxKlV1qu6Sn aCKb+Grn6LJRdvhXv9LIHA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCdwi-00030v-6V; Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:23:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87jzvuy2e7.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:05:36 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307156 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 17:05:36 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > How many cases with such unwanted outcome do we need to see happening > > before our eyes before we conclude that what happened in the past can > > very well happen in the future, all the well-intentioned enthusiasts > > notwithstanding, and before we start applying that conclusion to our > > decision-making process? > > > > But maybe I'm the only one who is bothered by the fact that we never, > > as a project, raise the head above the water level and look farther > > into the future than just tomorrow or the day after? In which case > > I'll stop talking about this and accept the fact the others aren't > > bothered. After all, I don't own this project, I'm just the steward; > > if the community decides to go with this, the community will bear the > > consequences, whether good or bad. > > How many people will have to step up to maintain the Android port? > Because if 5, 10, or even 20 people do so, they may all still leave for > greener pastures. > > This problem is solved by making the Android port trivially > comprehensible for programmers who are familiar with > platform-independent parts of Emacs, not by counting the number of > people who are currently involved. I say we are already there. You are not answering any of the questions I raised. It is not useful to reiterate stuff you or others already wrote. It doesn't advance this discussion, which is basically stagnant in the same spot from the first moment I started it. No one took the issues I raise seriously. Which may mean I'm imagining difficulties where there are none, or it may mean no one here wants to look at this issue through the eyes of project management.