From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 23:10:18 +0200 Message-ID: <83r4a5bj5x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83vbzkcx20.fsf@gnu.org> <83d2lrczi7.fsf@gnu.org> <8338mmcsd9.fsf@gnu.org> <83txf1blf2.fsf@gnu.org> <87txf133yd.fsf@zigzag.favinet> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385327422 29693 80.91.229.3 (24 Nov 2013 21:10:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 21:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thien-Thi Nguyen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 22:10:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkgwg-0007iX-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:10:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48525 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkgwf-0003Ko-JZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:10:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51221) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkgwY-0003Kh-Dt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:10:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkgwT-0005qT-2g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:10:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:41917) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VkgwS-0005qE-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MWS00600DDDOR00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 23:10:07 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MWS0061SDGUKT70@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 23:10:07 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87txf133yd.fsf@zigzag.favinet> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165668 Archived-At: > From: Thien-Thi Nguyen > Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:06:02 +0100 > > > [1:text/plain Hide] > > () Eli Zaretskii > () Sun, 24 Nov 2013 22:21:37 +0200 > > Indeed, faces cannot specify this, but I see no reason why they > couldn't be extended to do that as well. > > If "faces" (the concept) were to include these extra-character features, > then their composition would be greatly complicated. That ship sailed a long time ago: we already have 'line-spacing' text property. Indentation and justification are no different. > It seems more natural to leave "faces" (the concept) as a "leaf" > feature, IMHO. For example, if the "style" i want is to have top-level > headings of a nested list in Courier, sub-headings in Italic, and all > body text in Times, then i think it would be more natural to specify > that directly to the style machinery and let it wrangle the faces for > me, then to specify the faces "Courier, only in top-level list > headings" and so on, as unique entities, to be applied in a separate > step to the particular text i'm composing. This is the source of all evil in Office. The result is a terrible mess where the user ends up having no control on what is going on in her document (except for very short documents). No, thanks.