From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21472: 25.0.50; REGRESSION: (emacs) `Coding Systems' uses curly quotes for Lisp strings Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:23:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83r3ly7rpd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55F83FDF.2070202@cs.ucla.edu> <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442388268 16507 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2015 07:24:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 09:24:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74e-00022O-SQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:24:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48012 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74d-0004qs-TA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:24:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37089) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74Y-0004pk-EZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74U-0007kB-Fm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:24:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41744) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74U-0007k4-CD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:24:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74U-00015w-4t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:24:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D21472.14423882244182 (code D ref 21472); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:24:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21472-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2015 07:23:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc74B-00015N-OB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:51308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc749-00015E-Bb for 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NUR00C00DLRYN00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for 21472-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:24:11 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NUR001Q9DWBXND0@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:24:11 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <3aa1fafa-ed4d-4935-8a3e-cae7d0842c5f@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106626 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:48:07 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > > > Emacs handles three different conventions for how to separate lines in a > > file: newline (Unix), carriage-return linefeed (DOS), and just carriage-return > > (Mac). > > > > which avoids the quoting issue entirely. > > That fixed sentence looks good to me, FWIW. It doesn't look good to me. "Unix" is not used here in a literal sense, it stands for all Unix-like systems (a.k.a. "Posix"), including GNU/Linux. Likewise, "DOS" stands for MS-DOS, MS-Windows, and similar systems. Removing the quotes here changed the meaning. That's also the problem with many other changes Paul made: where previously a quoted "FOO" frequently meant "like FOO, but not really FOO", now we have just the literal FOO, and the reader is none the wiser. Shame on us for failing to write good expressive English for fear of quotes.