From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: UP and DOWN with multi-line minibuffer history Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 05:37:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83r3io2xgv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wpsj6978.fsf@gnu.org> <87y4czz63l.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lh8y5q3k.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1u9vqni.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83d1u94s23.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3ioegmq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1450150681 31913 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2015 03:38:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 04:37:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gR1-0003aJ-9Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2015 04:37:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34866 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gR0-0003aY-IV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:37:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56291) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gQp-0003aS-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gQk-0005gW-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:37:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gQk-0005gS-J4; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:37:38 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2170 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a8gQj-0005oJ-Vv; Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:37:38 -0500 In-reply-to: <87r3ioegmq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:45:20 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196284 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:45:20 +0200 > > >> So the question at hand can be considered as Consistency vs. Convenience, > >> i.e. trying to achieve consistency at the cost of losing convenience. > > > > Yes, it's consistency vs minor inconvenience in certain use cases. I > > think consistency should win big time. > > It's not minor inconvenience, it renders navigating multi-line items unusable. I think "unusable" is a great exaggeration. We have that in a normal buffer, don't we? > We already have sevaral complaints against this change, > and no complaints about the current behavior. Where are the complaints against the change? I didn't see them. By contrast, several people said they agreed with my proposal. > So why change what is working well? Because it doesn't work well, its effect is surprising and unexpected.