From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 17:48:42 +0200 Message-ID: <83r3flrmw5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <3be41f0b-452f-78b2-4eea-49f207e060a0@yandex.ru> <87lh5u9d6m.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457452129 6813 80.91.229.3 (8 Mar 2016 15:48:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 15:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 08 16:48:45 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1adJsK-000106-4q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 16:48:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35435 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJsJ-0004kv-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:48:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60187) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJsD-0004kf-Vp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:48:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJs9-0004FU-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1adJs9-0004FQ-Lh; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:48:33 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2692 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1adJs9-00037q-71; Tue, 08 Mar 2016 10:48:33 -0500 In-reply-to: <87lh5u9d6m.fsf@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:43:29 -0600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201152 Archived-At: > From: Karl Fogel > Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:43:29 -0600 > > Again, if the majority of people like Eli who do tons of work around here would prefer to keep ChangeLogs, then I'm in favor of doing so. But it would be nice to be de-confused about the arguments for it. I've posted my arguments. In a nutshell, maintaining the logs in the VCS doesn't allow us to fix mistakes there (which then get propagated to the generated ChangeLog), and the way we designed to work around this breaks down when we have more than one active branch.