From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23426: 25.0.93; dired-do-find-regexp doesn't find newline Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 19:00:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83r3dhizis.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<57278BA0.6010604@h-rommerskirchen.de> <4xr3dj7yrk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9638d58e-0c5c-a587-c3a6-272254597b88@yandex.ru> <85ff912d-1457-487d-80b2-412389876172@default> <812a118d-331e-4f09-aeda-483ee71b1127@default>> <<838tzpkgtj.fsf@gnu.org>> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462377706 9920 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 16:01:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 16:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23426@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 18:01:34 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEz-0000pq-KW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:01:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEs-0002uQ-Pr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEj-0002gz-9P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:01:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEX-0003Xe-5n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:01:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:53864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEX-0003Wr-34 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:01:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzET-0007x9-KI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:01:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 16:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23426 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23426-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23426.146237765830382 (code B ref 23426); Wed, 04 May 2016 16:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23426) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 16:00:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37968 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEQ-0007te-2h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:00:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1axzEO-0007nr-Oh for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:00:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzE9-0003Qy-M1 for 23426@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:00:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1axzE9-0003QF-J5; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:00:41 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2227 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1axzE3-0007Be-5T; Wed, 04 May 2016 12:00:35 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 4 May 2016 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117756 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 23426@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It didn't replace the old command, that one is still there, it just > > doesn't have a key binding by default. > > It's the new feature that should perhaps not have a key. At > least it should not grab an existing key. There are plenty of > unbound keys in Dired. And why not just provide the command, > for now, and let users bind it themselves if they like? It is easier to get users complain about what they dislike than report what they like. > > > This new feature should have been added as, uh, err, well, just > > > a new feature - a new command, totally unrelated to existing `A' > > > etc. Bad idea to usurp `A' for a command that requires a user > > > to have `grep' and `find'. Bad Emacs. > > > > We want to stop maintaining the etags-derived UI for moving > > through hits, so this is part of a plan. > > So what? Introduce the new as optional behavior. Let users > decide. What's the hurry to replace? See above. > What's the hurry to replace? Maintaining too many alternative UIs is a maintenance burden we cannot afford. > > OTOH, when Drew will stop assuming "Emacs devs" have ill will, and > > release knee-jerk reactions, such as this one, based on that, is > > anyone's guess. > > When will Eli stop personalizing everything? I don't. It's all personal to begin with. > I don't claim ill will - never have. May I suggest that you ask someone impartial to read all your posts, and provide feedback? You might be surprised to learn how your messages read. > What's the imperative behind this key-binding replacement? > Why not just offer the new feature as a plus, not a > plus-and-minus? See above.